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Move along, nothing to see here....
I tend to say stupid things when I don't think for a while, so I'm not going to make apologies or say someone was in the right. I can see where you and Jeremy both have valid points. As we continue to grow (knock on wood) we're going to constantly add new developers and new members to the mix and they're all going to have different ideas about MyBlogLog's direction.
At a high level, I think your disagreement represents a very good thing for MyBlogLog. I'd rather that we have members who are invested enough to argue about what's acceptable than folks who sleepwalk through the service and ultimately find themselves somewhere else.
I honestly cannot see where Jeremy is in anyway "in the right". I know him well enough that he can email me to ask what's going on, before posting anything slanderous.
I had the blessing of MyBlogLog, I was promoting the community, I've come back to the service, despite the hiccups with the servers, and I get treated this way.
Jeremy is a programmer. You and Scott understand communities. When you get a chance to meet him, maybe you can bring him up to speed.
At this stage, I have no idea whether I'll return to using MBL. I joined because of the sense of community. I offered a Zune as a way to encourage others to use it. I feel betrayed and like any relationship - it's going to take a lot to overcome that. Dramatic, I know, but that's just how I feel.
I still like MLB. It's great for small-timers like myself. But yeah, if MLB is the major force driving traffic to your blog, it's time to work on something else.
I guess Jeremy never really took a peek at all the shady crap already going on within MLB.
Still, don't you think you're being unfair to the MLB buys who blessed you to start with? I kinda feel sorry for them getting punished because Jeremy lost it.
You've seen all the posts about spam on MyBlogLog. It's not all about sending messages asking members to visit my community. There are members who get pissed at people who make everyone a contact. There are member who get pissed at people who constantly visit other communities so that they show up on the list of "people who recently stopped by" and there are people, like Jeremy, who get pissed when people use their avatars and screenshots for blatant marketing uses (whether it's a guy who makes his avatar a hot woman so that he stands out on a reader roll or a member who uses his screen shot area to entice people to join through a contest).
I think it's perfectly cool for someone to join MyBlogLog and then a month, or a week, or even a day later say "I think that MyBlogLog would be better with tags, or nothing but porn, or no marketing." Punk rock ethos, man :)
I was amazed you got singled out for this.
Andy - I thought Jeremy was hitting you too hard by calling this "spam", especially if you had prior permission to do this, but I agree with him that "Win a Zune" is out of the normal spirit of MBL.
I've been frustrated to see MBL weighed down with marketing "tricks" to inflate communities rather than innovative uses of MBL as the blog community tool it was intended, and is destined, to become.
Like many Yahoo aquisitions MBL was probably seen as a nicely done 2.0/community building/marketing environment. It's Jeremy's job to keep this on track as a community site, and Andy's to build traffic to his site.
Andy needs to clarify for me why he thinks the Zune promo is more for MBL's benefit than his own - I don't get that.
ToddW - I agree. I try not to bitch about other bloggers. I may critique a site here or there, but Jeremy has my email and cell, he could have contacted me privately and saved us this whole mess.
I have no issue with him taking offense at my promotion, but to suggest I am spamming is an insult.
MLB guys busted their behinds to put out a great service and if major players bow out because someone outside the team made a misinformed remark, then the whole system starts sucking and becomes a parlor trick for small time bloggers.
Andy, kudos for being the bigger man in all this.
MBL is becoming the new Myspace for blogs or so I've seen it stated. They bought this app for the community yes, but they bought it for the power that community brings. This community will be used as a marketing tool for Yahoo. In fact, they have already begun that transfer of other tools purchased to make it even more powerful in that regard. It's like playing Risk, you buy up all the army you can and when the Marketing war is unleashed against Google and other armies, they hope to have the power they have purchased.
I've lost a lot of respect for Jeremy on this one.
While I still think the Zune contest was interesting and a good way to draw more users to MyBlogLog and your MyBlogLog Marketing Pilgrim community, and I do not think you were spamming them,...
I would like to say that I'm already pretty sick myself of seeing so many other businesses and blogs running ads in their screenshot AND/OR avatar spot. Especially in the avatar spot.
I'm also tired of getting those little "You visited our blog and we suggest _______.com messages in my "Check It!" MyBlogLog messages :)
There's a thin red line between networking, pitching and 'spamming' and MyBlogLog seems to be a new breeding ground for such. I'd rather use it as a way to connect with like-minded users than push my blog or my community onto others outside of the faceroll or MyBlogLog tools. But, that's just me.
So, you gonna send Jeremy a Zune?
Everyday it becomes more and more clear to me the awesome responsibility bloggers have.
It is so easy to wake up in the morning on the wrong side of the bed, and say something that you'll regret later.
The web is an unforgiving place. By the time you figure out you said something wrong, it has been archived by a dozen places already.
Hopefully enough positivity will come out of the conclusion to offset some of the bad vibes it caused.
On the business side how many clients have you counseled to use Yahoo! marketing services?
Perhaps Yahoo! should apologize.
I do like the new avatar, very clever!
There's something more happening here, which is rampant now all over the Internet. And that is the ease, freedom and ability to publically blast an individual, company or website to hell. It's common to see public accusations made in an emotional state, or delivered with no research. It seems to be accepted behavior to purposely pick on people, no matter who they are, just because you can. Jeremy Z. even admitted to knowing you. That somehow makes what he did okay? We meet someone and they become an easy target?
When someone with a huge following or strong reputation also publically goes after someone half-cocked, I lose respect for them and rarely do they get it back. It's especially important, in my mind, that though a blog may be considered one's own opinion, when the blog writer is an employee or representative of a large corporation, they are a public face to that company, whether they want to be or not.
I'm sorry for a long comment. I think there's more to your experience that's worthy of exploring, for those interested in human behavior and the Internet :)
I am glad to see this was resolved.
MLB guys busted their behinds to put out a great service and if major players bow out because someone outside the team made a misinformed remark, then the whole system starts sucking and becomes a parlor trick for small time bloggers.
Andy, kudos for being the bigger man in all this.
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