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Re: Is the Internet ‘Public’?

Jack Doyle — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:22:49 -0000

It's creepy and morally to track someone's IP address. If it is illegal to follow a person home IRL, then is should be illegal to track their IP address. The internet needs to be treated like a real place instead of some abstract, fictional world. Same rules. Same laws.

Re: Is the Internet ‘Public’?

Jack Doyle — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:20:06 -0000

All of the internet is public. That's the way it works. Don't ask for privacy online, there's no such thing, it's a waste of time. It is literally an international network. I mean, come on! How much more a clue do you need that what you put online will be encountered by a network of other people. Including message. A "private" message is not private. You want private, send an actual letter or meet IRL in a private location. The internet is for public access, to do things publicly.

But the stupid part about this: "Of course, your face is certainly a lot more personally identifiable than the information that your computer automatically gives out when requesting a file from another server." Wrong. Your IP address tells them where you live, where your family live, where you sleep at night, where you go to be safe. Your face is far less useful and someone with the right knowledge can do a lot with your IP address. Remember internet = public. Stop expecting otherwise.

You don't want people to see your face in public? Wear a mask. Don't want people to see your personal details online? Don't upload/post them. Don't want a website to track your IP address? Onion it all up.

The only privacy in this world is what you make. Use an onion router. Wear a mask or makeup. Go somewhere private like your home. Don't ask for privacy. Make it.

Re: Is the Internet ‘Public’?

messels — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:41:24 -0000

interesting question but i'm not sure there's anyway of claiming that the internet is private. the entire concept is based completely on public-facing material. everything is about accessing public information.

there are certainly ways of circumventing this--such as "hidden" or "granular access privileges" to public profiles (i'm thinking facebook and myspace here...heck, even linkedin).

another way of protecting yourself on the net is to use the onion router. funny sounding name but it's an amazing service for "erasing" your original IP address, essentially protecting who you really are and where you come from. http://www.torproject.org/

also, there are programs that will reset your mac-address, which is another way of tracking browsing history. (this is in addition to turning cookies off...i think the public has generally forgotten that cookies exist...and it was sooo vogue to talk about them during the early '00s).

lol. gl and great question!

Re: Is the Internet ‘Public’?

Jake Butler — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:15:25 -0000

Jordan,

I like how you brought up the comparison of public space in regards to paparazzi. The 1st Amendment break down of that is interesting as it is based upon a reasonable expectation of privacy. Famous, recognizable can't reasonably expect the same level of privacy as Joe Schmoe down the street. I'm wondering if there will be some similar application of internet privacy where different standards apply to different users, or even different websites.

So shall we see...

Re: Is the Internet ‘Public’?

Jordan McCollum — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:22:31 -0000

As I said, illegal activity in plain sight isn't private. The street is public. You being in your car, your property in your car (that's not in plain sight) etc. are private. Just because a car is your private property doesn't mean that you'll be able to break the law in it. Same with your house. I did mention this in the article.

Re: Is the Internet ‘Public’?

Famous Quotes — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:25:58 -0000

Actually one has 'most privacy' (not 100%) only in one's house. Your car, while it's your private property, doesn't have much of a privacy as soon as you get on the road. Police can and do record it's speed and can charge you for speeding, illegal turns etc. and in some jurisdiction they have cameras installed. In many shopping stores they have cameras installed with big warning signs that this store has cameras installed for 'Your security' :-). I think the same or similar rules should apply to a website; they may collect IP but may not be permitted to track back the individual, only legal authorities should be able to track just like they do in the case stores, banks etc.

Re: Is the Internet ‘Public’?

Jayson — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:44:46 -0000

Yeah I guess I can see (thanks to your comparison) that capturing an IP address is fair once you've entered their website.

I do think that they should make it very clear what they capture and what they do with it and then you can decide whether you want to visit them again or not.

I'm not sure I agree with it but I guess it's fair - after all it's their website and their information.

Re: Is the Internet ‘Public’?

GoWFB — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:23:47 -0000

This is a concept that really toubles me sometimes. I actaually got to thinking when i read a post on this site about how Google can somehow 'read' you email and tailor the text ads to synch with the contents of your email. That scared me, how very vulnerable we are on the internet!

Re: Is the Internet ‘Public’?

Adam Pieniazek — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:07:02 -0000

You hit the answer right on the head with the lobby comparison Jordan. Just like a lobby, you don't know what's really on a web-site (or in the lobby) until you step onto the grounds. Once you click through to the company's site, or step through a door into their lobby you're on their property.

So, recording an IP address is fair game, but following that IP address once it leaves company property is dead wrong. Now, we still have privacy, in that the company can't broadcast to the world that we've visited their site. Doing so would be a violation of our privacy.